Topic: 79 shovel face lift (Read 5855 times)

Dave · « **on:** October 20, 2008, 01:08:28 am »

well i got this one with the frt. end sitting on it.. the motor & tranny laid in & the wheels with no spacing.. it had been stripped down, the motor freshened up , the tranny touched up , the frame got a fresh coat of powder & it had take off wheels on it from a soft-tail of some unknown model.. when i say sitting in & ;laid in, i mean just that.. theowner told me he knew he couldnt get it back together & that he had a hard enough time getting it apart.. at least the man was honest, that counts for alot.. anyway the motor is snugged up , the inner primary was use to align it all, then back off as a 2 in. open belt will go on it.. the rear wheel is spaced out, i had to order springer spacers for the frt. & the frt. wheel most like wont jive with a springer anyway.. late model hub, not off a springer.. themain wiring harness that i made is on it.. the rear fender is fit & the shorty shocks ordered to make it all sit & look right with this type fender.. ihave done alot to it & have alot more to do .. the new oil tank needs to be powdered along with some other stuff & new tank mounts need to be made for the small sporty tank he wants on it.. but heres whereit is now..

Dave · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2008, 01:11:25 am »

the right side is shown here, along with the 32 ford tail lite we will use.. bracket is being supplied by fab-kevin.

Dave · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:39:50 am »

lite bracket & another box from jireh showed up.. i mocked the lite up to check axle length as its an axle mount bracket.. its all good.. as soon as the shock come were i can actually see them in place & how the fender fits, besides just a measurement .. i'll pull the fender, cut it down some in the frt. & i got a good pile off to the powder guys.. he wants a flat black paint job, so i suggested he powder it all for durability.. may not be able to powder the gas tank.. i still gotta check it for filler..

Dave · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2008, 09:54:51 am »

i got some of the powdercoating back for this bike.. i used a new powder guy, the old one moved to texas.. it looks like this one is pretty good.. fast & fair priced.. as soon as i get the stuff bolted on solid i'll take a few pics. & post them.. i slid the oil tank in & its looking right, thats for sure. i whacked the fender off some under the seat area as it interfers with the seat sitting down flush with the frame.. we will see how that all aligns when the new seat gets here..

xylene61 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2008, 12:27:09 pm »

hmmmm. Another swingarm bike. Are you letting this bike guide you through the "look" of your own build? I know it's different from yours, but there are some basic similarities that carry over.

Dave · « **Reply #5 on:** October 29, 2008, 09:20:28 am »

oh, no.. not at all.. nothing on one bike guides me thru another..i dont need guides nor use them.. there are very few similarity's actually.. i started mine first anyway.. this shovel just came along.. the only real similarity's are the rear shocks.. this guy saw mine & liked them , so he got some.. his is a stock frame , narrow wheel.. mine isnt near that.. shame on you basil for thinking such..

xylene61 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2008, 12:51:04 pm »

just teasin' ya Davie. Don't think for a minute I would second guess ya on anything like THAT!

Dave · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2008, 03:40:50 pm »

naw.. i wouldnt do that.. the damn delivery date on the seat was yesterday, now they revised it til nov. 4th. i had planned on getting the seat/rear fender, all to jive up this weekend & then get the fenders out for powder coating.. but alas.. i must be patient.. almost all the wiring is done, for some reason the socket on the tail-lite isnt grounding.. every thing is grounding all the way to the bolts that hold the lite to the mounting bracket .. but no ground at the socket.. not a hard fix.. just slowed me down some .. the battery should be here monday, at that point the tie ins to the battery will have the wiring completed . very clean harness .. i didnt run any wires in the frame, but theres very minimal wiring on this bike.. it came out really good .. the ghost in the tail lite socket ground is the only issue involved with the wiring..

Dave · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2008, 11:34:11 am »

well i apologize for slacking here.. theres been alot of progress on this bike .. i'll post some up date pics. late today or this evening. .. i had to break down & buy the guy a new belt drive.. we were awaiting one from another source, but it never showed up.. & after weeks of excuses, we couldnt wait to play games any longer.. we got the 3 inch bdl open drive with the bdl clutches.. a far upgrade from stock shovel stuff anyway.. with the offset sprocket for the 160 rear tire i had to order some shims from fab-kevin, to getthe bearing support spaced right.. basically now, its down to asome powder coating, nuts & bolts, & fit up on the belt.. plus i gotta cut my version of a torque plate for the drive.. i've made these for many years & recently i see more people are getting hip to making them.. i'll post all this stuff.. if anyone needs a torque plate to keep the motor & tranny aligned well on a 4 speed fab-kevin makes a set up too.. its actually the left side piece off his mid shift control mounts.. mine are hand made from stainless.. & tough to cut, but worth the effort..

Dave · « **Reply #9 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:23:21 am »

heres some recent pics.. its all wrapped up except the sheetmetal.. i just put the belt drive on it today.. i will need a tranny adjuster it seems & i'll cut a torque plate too..

Dave · « **Reply #10 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:23:54 am »

notice the new forks..

Dave · « **Reply #11 on:** December 14, 2008, 04:25:04 am »

belt drive is ion it.. fixing what this fella had done was a nightmare finding the hidden gremlins.. good thing he never tried to run it..

Dave · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2008, 01:20:44 am »

fella's do i got some pics. to post.. i gotta download them to my computer first though.. this bike is really coming out right..

Dave · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:43:03 pm »

well at last heres a few pics. of this shovel near to finished..

Dave · « **Reply #14 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:44:10 pm »

the sheetmetal is flat black powder coated.. the coater did a slammin' job.. being as this is a 1979 1/2 model .. it has all sorts of shit that mophladite.. a regular belt drive set up for any other model. WILL NOT FIT.. you must buy the set up with the least amount of pulley teeth & then get a belt with the maximum number of teeth available .. YEAH, THATS RIGHT .. BELIEVE MY WORDS AS I HAVE JUST LEARNED THIS FST HAND .. this is the model that the serial numbers dont match on the frame & motor from the factory.. yes thats true.. check it out if you want.. this created lots of grief for riders getting hassled by the law way back when too.. so the belt you see pictured isnt the correct one .. it will not allow ANY slack to adjust the tranny square to the motor pulley..

Dave · « **Reply #15 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:52:45 pm »

the bike actually came out very well.. the owner had a poor direction when i began this rebuild, but he had the good sense to give me the head room i needed , as well as the cash to make it a winner.. cosmetically, including the wiring job, all labor & parts theres about 4500.00 in the rebirth of this bike..

Dave · « **Reply #16 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:55:17 pm »

on these final words i'll leave with an ass shot.. i will post final pics. when its running down the road.. i tried to convince him to install a chai guard , but he dont want one.. the new belt will be here monday & by tuesday we should have lift off .. the owner has a new frt. wheel & tire with a rotor on the wheel , he is bringing over also .. at that point when its installed & the brakes bled out.. i get paid & the bike goes home.. my favorite part.. getting paid .

xylene61 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 03, 2009, 11:00:18 pm »

hey, not bad for a budget build. Those shorty pipes should make that shovel crack. All he needs is some pinstriping. I recall a shovelhead model that came from the factory with a primary belt drive... the Sturgis, but I don't know what year they built 'em....does that have anything to do with this weird drive spacing?

Dave · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2009, 03:17:28 am »

he does intend on adding some pin striping later on.. i'm not sure on that sturgis models belt drive.. as i recall from restoring one some years back there were no belt drive issues with using aftermarket drives.. this particular 1979 1/2 model has several odd ball fitments.. i think it really came out nicely.. this fella has been wanting to bring me this bike for several years & just finally got around to it.. he got snake bit on a few parts he bought prior to bringing it to me .. but he's very happy with the overall cost.. as usual i tried my best to shop parts cost & help keep the tab down.. even though he has the cash, no one wants to throw it at the wind.. those pipes should have an interesting sound ..

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Lightnin · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:24:05 am »

the Sturgis model was made from 80-82..... it's problems were due to several factors
1) the front pulley had a cush drive type compensator, the belt was being tugged constantly (heat failure)
2) the engine and trans were never properly lined up at the fuctory (alignment problems leading to heat problems)

the heat problems combined with poor alignment led to the bikes demise as they really didn't want to take the time to do it right..... at the time, belts were "new" so they didn't know then what we do now........ this all being said, a belt belt combo can be one of the smoothest running bikes out there

xylene61 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2009, 01:42:15 pm »

The belt setup in mine is a BDL enclosed, much like that Sturgis setup. There is tons of heat, so I have my derby cover & insp cover whittled out & spaced. The heat does more to the clutch than the belt though. It can get kinda "snappy" in traffic in the summer. I've only ever seen one Sturgis with its covers off. They must be pretty rare anymore.

Lightnin · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:13:11 am »

the original belts were poor at adapting to heat as the fibers used were more like cotton and not the kevlar aramid consturction that is used now........ this combined with improper tensioning and poor alignment are the killer for any belt

even the new belts can be affected by this, i know - i've broken 2 rear belts which should have a life well over that of the frame..... what caused it?..... my own ignorance and also assuming that the shop that did some work for me knew what they were doing

xylene61 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:27:49 pm »

I broke a new belt the first year I had my bike together. Thought there was so much power....HAAAA! Then , I sheared off a bunch of teeth off the next belt..OOPS it still worked till I got ANOTHER belt $$$$$ - this is getting tiresome. Then I found out how TIGHT they need to be. I was setting them up with no rider on the bike, and the swingarm pivot would change the tension. Problem solved. This is not to be loose like a chain. Harley manual says 3/8 inch pull down max, I think. Ya learn, when it's your wallet getting the lesson.

Dave · « **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2009, 02:51:31 pm »

well the longer belt was too long.. i had to pull the tranny back out & use an early model tranny plate.. it sat the tranny down flatter & lower which helped alot & it had longer slots in the holes the tranny slides on.. that was a big plus too .. i had to also shorten the studs on the tranny adjuster , after i got it to slide forward more the studs hit the case before giving it that extra bit of slack it needed.. when it was said & done it was adjusted full forward on the kicker side to square up the pulley's.. the belt side stayed in place .. i found that odd, but hey.. its all aligned & is tracking nicely , so thats all that matters.. initial start up found the bike running poorly .. it has a single fire ignition .. a crane hi-2 , similar to a dyna -s , but not near as simple or good in my opinion.. i'm not a fan of any crane ignition.. the problem was the coil.. as it ran awhile one side of it went completely out leaving no fire to the rear cylinder.. i dug around & found a scrap single fire coil , put it on & now it runs perfectly.. its kick only & my fuckin' leg is sore from fuckin with it , but i got it tuned to a one kicker hot & a 2 kicker when its cold.. so i'm pleased with that.. i have a few minor issued to attend too , then the bike goes home with its owner & of course, i get paid..

Dave · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2009, 07:36:10 pm »

well i finished wittling out my version of a torque plate for this bike.. on old school open drives, even with the tranny adjusters, i've seen them get knocked out of alignment , due to various things.. mostly road hazards.. like raccons in one incident i had some years back.. anyway its just a thin piece of stainless plate, shaped out to fit the alternator cover & bolt to the motor case & tapered down in various shapes i choose as each bike dictates to where it will bolt to the frt. bearing support bolts on the tranny.. & there you have an instant torque plate.. i usually stain finish the stainless , but you can paint or powder coat it.. even chrome it if you want.. some i drill speed holes in , or add 3 slots of varying length.. its an imagination gig on that part.. this one i left plain.. the owner is coming by to ride it today.. it may go home soon..

xylene61 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2009, 10:42:40 pm »

a picture is worth a thousand posts...

Dave · « **Reply #26 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:51:48 am »

you are right.. i'll get one.. also basil, check your e-mail.. i sent you a message about cutting me a couple of spacers..

Dave · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:55:54 am »

well charlie came & rode his bike today.. it crapped out.. this is the second coil thats took a shit.. both were used coils.. one was on the bike before & working a few years back.. { yeah i know } anyway he wants to get a new coil.. if it burns up its the damn crane hi-2 ignition module.. i suspect it as the problem.. its a sort of crane set up that imitates the unbeatable dyna-s series of ignitions..this crane he has is not a common module.. i wanted to put a new dyna-s in it, but he wants to try another coil first.. it would kick start easier with the dyna=s.. since its kick only.. regardless i got paid for it all today, so onward thru the fog we go..

Lightnin · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2009, 05:56:24 am »

http://www.daytona-twintec.com/products.html

check this out Dave..... these guys made the ORIGINAL HI-4 for Crane..... it has heat resistance and great fire power as well as good longevity..... and, they are made right in the USA

also, from the website on the unit you should use :

"The Model 1005 is primarily intended for electric start applications. However, Rev 7.0 units (manufactured after January, 2006) can be programmed for kick start mode by using our PC Link Evo software and optional USB interface. If you order on-line, you can add a note stating that you require kick start capability and we will program the unit for you at no extra cost. When programmed for kick start mode, the unit has zero cranking delay and a 30 second timeout before coil current shutoff. "

Dave · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2009, 11:03:03 am »

i looked at these also.. i'm not a fan of anything digital on a bike ignition.. thats whyi love the tried & true dyna-s so much.. kick or electric compatable as is right out the box & i've yet to see a life expectancy on one.. i must say though, i'd take this unit you mentioned over a crane anyday though..

Dave · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:26:19 pm »

well the owner finally saw the light.. after 2 coils burning up.. { both used coils } & while they were good the bike wouldnt kick start well.. i have a new dual fire dyna-s ignition & coil coming for the bike, as well as a new mechanical advance.. guys if you have a kick start bike.. pan, shovel, or evo.. the dyna-s is the most & only true kick start compatible ignition set up.. with only points to compete with for starting ease.. there are ignitions that claim to be kick compatible & they will kick start .. just not real easy.. the complete set up with an advance thru jireh was 172.00 including the c.o.d. charges, delivered to my door.. thats far less than any competitors cost , & you never have to worry about them again once installed.. any stock type advance mechanism will work.. any 3 or 5 ohm coil will work.. even points coils & solid copper core plug wires work with this ignition.. so IF you did need a part , its not hassle to find.. truly the most versatile ignition made.. the only ignition that MIGHT fire hotter , is a points set up with solid core wires & a high out put coil.. might , being the big word.. anyway.. assoon as its in, i'll have the finished pics. & the bike will be ridden til its first oil change prior to going home..

Dave · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:28:54 pm »

damn.. i sound like a dyna-s advertisement ..

Dave · « **Reply #32 on:** February 12, 2009, 02:17:19 am »

ignition is installed the bike cranks up easy as pie now & runs great.. but when the fella changed the oil pump bolts out for chrome ones he apparently didnt torque them , but instead tightened them down too tight.. which after running it awhile , sheared the keyway on the oil pump gear at the pinion.. fuck.. when does it end.. not a hard job, but its getting aggravating now.. i did my job, now i'm fixing fuck ups..

LA_Dave · « **Reply #33 on:** February 22, 2009, 04:52:27 pm »

Great job on the bike Dave...
Really do like the looks of a clean 4-speed frame and a Shovel. Nothing else has that "look".

All the head-aches, I've been dealin' with that sorta shit too on my bike. But, a good friend pointed out, its like peelin' an onion. And there's a bunch of truth in that...

Dave · « **Reply #34 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:23:50 am »

true.. i'll start on the oil pump issue this week.. havent had the time.. between work , doing maintenance on all the 4 wheel vehicles i own.. & trying to find just the right fender for the new build .. its all time consuming.. then my sewer system for my house screwed up.. a minor thing in the end, but it took a bit to figure it out.. the world is good now.. maybe..

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