Topic: little help with my 1340 evo (Read 257 times)

TobyJug · « **on:** January 10, 2012, 09:42:24 am »

Ok then so I have a question.
I am a crap mechanic..
I can build a frame, put everything in, fabricate bits, pain but d@mn I am a shit mechanic..

I can build little single cylinder engines ok but that is about it.. lol
(I used to build 50 and 90cc 4-stroke Honda chops with a mate when I was a kid.)

On the new Harley (1982 FXR with a 1340 Evo in.) I have something that I think needs looking at.

She hates low speeds.
When riding slow say 30mph in 3rd it has a noise from the primary..
Not a nice one..
When I drop down a gear so I am running higher revs she seems ok..
the same occurs when slowing down for example coming of a motorway exit and taking gas back..

Higher speeds are fine, motorway cruising is fine...

Could it be that the primary chain needs replacing? that it is slack?

I remember this kinda thing happening on the little 50cc 4-stroke Hondas..
it used to be either a slack primary chain or that little plasticy wheel was work that sits inside the primary chain causing it to slack a little that is why I thought it might be that.

I just thought I ask here first before I get raped by a mechanic because my mate does not seem to have much time at the moment.

what do you lot think?
thanks in advance..

Lightnin · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2012, 05:09:18 pm »

On the side of the primary is an oval cover with four bolts... undo those and look inside... you will see the chain and the tensioner... push up on the chain.... 5/8-9/16 movement... if it's more when the engine is cold, you need to tighten it.... on the top of the tensioner is a nut that is attached to a bolt that goes into a locking plate on the backside of the inner primary.... put a long socket on the nut and once you loosen it, the chain will slack... you need to raise the nut and tighten it at the same time.... it may take a time or two to get it right, and that's ok... take your time and you won't have any problems

Lightnin · « **Reply #2 on:** January 10, 2012, 05:12:31 pm »

and looking at your pics, what you have is not an FXR, but an FXDWG... same idea, slightly different... your bike is what they call a Dyna(hence the D in the initials) with a Wide Glide front end (WG)

TobyJug · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:49:24 pm »

Hey Lightnin,

Thanks heaps for the reply mate..

First of all thanks on the primary info.. greatly appreciated..
I will have a look tomorrow and see if I can get it done..
Thanks again it's a great descriptive explanation so I am sure I will be ok..

Secondly on the model of the bike..

I am trying to find out how and what..
I was told it was an FXR when I got it..
However looking at the bike I thought it might be a Dyna..
Not knowing to much myself I asked a mate he pretty much said what you said from looking at the picture.. (he is a few hundred miles away)
The frame number tells a different story altogether...

*HD*AHK**CY*****S

(I have just replaced the numbers with *)

When I did a few searches my VIN reveals the following..

1982 HARLEY-DAVIDSON FLH80 POLICE DLX = Touring
VIN:
World region:North America
Manufactured in:USA
Year:1982
Make:Harley-davidson
Model:FLH80 POLICE DLX = Touring
Body style:Road / Street
Drive type:RWD
Cylinders:2 Cylinders
Engine type: Fuel-injected Big twin

Or
FLHP - 80 Police Belt
FLHP - 80 Belt Deluxe

so pretty much the same as the above..

I am confused... lol
Maybe you can shed some more light on this for me..

Lightnin · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2012, 06:24:10 pm »

well another point to look at is your drivetrain..... for '82, it should have been a shovel motor and 4 speed trans.... you have an EVO drivetrain (engine, trans and primary)

take another look at your vin on the bike and the one in your hand: is it all matching? if not, something is up here

**This is if the bike we are talking about is the one in your "Noob with big ears & Big Engines" post, as that was the photo i saw **

TobyJug · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2012, 10:19:47 pm »

Thanks for your reply again mate.
Once I know exactly what I have here I can start sorting some bits out haha..
apparently the bike was "custom build" in 1992 somewhere in the states.
I have not received the papers to back this up though..
I checked the VIN in a "stolen database" both in the USA and the UK.
All good...
I also had it checked getting road tax.. all good again..

Quote from: Lightnin on January 11, 2012, 06:24:10 pm

well another point to look at is your drivetrain..... for '82, it should have been a shovel motor and 4 speed trans.... you have an EVO drivetrain (engine, trans and primary)

It does have the letter for a shovel engine in the frame number but....
Yep seems to be a 5 speed Dyna Evo engine, I will take a few proper pictures for you tomorrow..

Quote from: Lightnin on January 11, 2012, 06:24:10 pm

take another look at your vin on the bike and the one in your hand: is it all matching? if not, something is up here

Checked it all.... seems ok..
The bike was imported into the UK on my Birthday in 1997.. lol

Quote from: Lightnin on January 11, 2012, 06:24:10 pm

**This is if the bike we are talking about is the one in your "Noob with big ears & Big Engines" post, as that was the photo i saw **

Yep that is the bike..

So I can only conclude that a FLHP frame was used to build this bike.
It seems to have been put together from a huge amount of different bikes...

My clutch seems to be due a spring...
The cable sorta stopt coming back proper today..
So points to check tomorrow are:

Primary chain
clutch.

Is there anywhere on the net where I can download a workshop manual for the 5 speed EVO engine?
I want to have a look myself and see if I can manage something to try and sort the clutch.

Other than that engine itself seems spot on starts first time every time..

thanks again for the reply mate, I appreciate your help.
Sorry for all the questions but being new to the Big Twin it's hard to determine by myself..

thanks again

Dave · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2012, 11:32:56 pm »

there was no evo. powered harley in 1982 .. sounds to me like you got a tattooed set of numbers on a later model frame.. nothing in the pic. i saw says 1982 .. yeah its a custom alright .. my opinion.. but i'd bet i'm more than right.. the noise your hearing is a clutch issue not a primary chain issue, not to say the chains dont need attention too.. thats no flh type frame either.. hell i'm gonna say what i'm thinking.. over here we call that a hot bike thats been tattooed .. i'll bet the farm the motor & frame numbers dont match .. not even close..

TobyJug · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2012, 09:34:02 am »

Thanks for your reply Dave..
I heard that you had trouble taking meds but your reply makes perfect sense..

Quote from: Dave on January 11, 2012, 11:32:56 pm

there was no evo. powered harley in 1982 ..

I know that much..

Quote from: Dave on January 11, 2012, 11:32:56 pm

sounds to me like you got a tattooed set of numbers on a later model frame.. nothing in the pic. i saw says 1982 .. yeah its a custom alright .. my opinion.. but i'd bet i'm more than right.. the noise your hearing is a clutch issue not a primary chain issue, not to say the chains dont need attention too.. thats no flh type frame either.. hell i'm gonna say what i'm thinking.. over here we call that a hot bike thats been tattooed .. i'll bet the farm the motor & frame numbers dont match .. not even close..

Thanks for the noise pinpoint... I made that conclusion last night..
New clutch it is I think.. But I will be checking it after and see whats what.
The clutch cover has gasket paste on it so it looks like it was "made to work" for a little while to get me home sorta thing..

As for the bike I know what your saying but it was imported here in 1997 with these numbers and all the official papers..
Both Engine and Frame numbers are matching on my paperwork..

I see what your saying though and the frame does not look like a flh to me and my limited knowledge either..
Confused... !

I will take some better pics or a little video after and see what you lot think..

If it was a hot bike it has been cleverly legalised when imported years ago...
But I really hope this is not the case.....

Dave · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:27:13 am »

no i take my meds right on time.. papers or not.. you got a serial number issue there.. NO evo motor can match a set on 1982 harley numbers.. THATS JUST A FACT.. me i dont care what you do.. i'll help you all i can.. & i can help you alot.. but papers or not , you got a mess there.. you get pulled over by a smart cop on that bike in the states , you done bought a whole sack full of grief.. that bikes a dyna model thats been tattooed with 1982 numbers .. everything you desribe screams it.. it might bull shit those limey's over there, but it wont me.. { no offens as i have some good limey friends } .. facts are there aint no 1982 evo. dyna model harley ever been made.. unless MAYBE .. you have a custom bike title & not a factory harley title.. if you'de like to privately { off forum } email me a pic. of your title i'll tell you exactly what you have.. it clear you dont know harley's & theres no shame there , but if you got a snake bit bike, you may want to know & not just go into automatic denial.. it happens everyday to some poor guy.. thats where assholes like me can help..

TobyJug · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2012, 06:35:57 pm »

Quote from: Dave on January 12, 2012, 11:27:13 am

no i take my meds right on time.. papers or not.. you got a serial number issue there.. NO evo motor can match a set on 1982 harley numbers.. THATS JUST A FACT.. me i dont care what you do.. i'll help you all i can.. & i can help you alot.. but papers or not , you got a mess there.. you get pulled over by a smart cop on that bike in the states , you done bought a whole sack full of grief.. that bikes a dyna model thats been tattooed with 1982 numbers .. everything you desribe screams it.. it might bull shit those limey's over there, but it wont me.. { no offens as i have some good limey friends } .. facts are there aint no 1982 evo. dyna model harley ever been made.. unless MAYBE .. you have a custom bike title & not a factory harley title.. if you'de like to privately { off forum } email me a pic. of your title i'll tell you exactly what you have.. it clear you dont know harley's & theres no shame there , but if you got a snake bit bike, you may want to know & not just go into automatic denial.. it happens everyday to some poor guy.. thats where assholes like me can help..

Hey guys,

Sorry for the late reply but I have been busy.

Thanks for all the advice I greatly appreciate it..
And thanks Dave for saying it how it is…. I like to be told things the way they are..
I am not known for my tactful way of dealing with people so all good..

I have deffo not buried my head in the sand, I have had a couple of bikes stolen over the years and there is nothing fucking worse..

I don't have the original USA title because the authorities here take them in when they issue the UK registration papers and plate.

However I have gotten much further now with everything after a lot of phone calls to the authorities and a visit to the Police station with the bike.

After putting some stuff on the frame there it has become clear that the C is actually a G, this would make the bike 1986.
The engine etc make sense then..
After speaking to the DVLA (Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency) and the Police it has come to light that when the bike was registered here in 1997 a mistake was made turning the G into a C.
So the bike is a 1986 bike.
I was told that the bike used to have all papers verifying that it was a custom build vehicle and that all the details match. (Engine, Frame numbers etc.)

A HPI and VIC (Vehicle Identity Check) check have been done by the authorities, they have guaranteed me that the bike is deffo right and that it is a mistake made at import.
I have to post my UK papers including the VIC and HPI papers off to the DVLA and they will correct their mistake.

BIG PFFEEEWWWW from me as I have not been able to sleep properly..

I have adjusted the primary and clutch-cable today and she rides much better.. I fucking love the bike….
I will try adjusting the clutch itself too and they hopefully all should be right..

Time to start customising some more and make some bits and bobs …
I got a nice set of pull back "airglider" risers today so I will be fitting them after the weekend.. should look good and finish that front end off nicely..

Right I better get off to bed soon as I am up stupidly early driving the truck al day tomorrow.. (I drive Semi's over the weekend)

Thanks again guys..

Dave · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2012, 10:20:26 am »

that makes more sense now.. if they issued you a HARLEY title .. you got lucky.. a custom build title will state as such.. hey i'm a big people guy, but i dont pull punches.. i say it straight.. that said i'm always happy when a guy scores a nice v-twin ..

TobyJug · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2012, 04:12:13 pm »

Quote from: Dave on January 14, 2012, 10:20:26 am

that makes more sense now.. if they issued you a HARLEY title .. you got lucky.. a custom build title will state as such.. hey i'm a big people guy, but i dont pull punches.. i say it straight.. that said i'm always happy when a guy scores a nice v-twin ..

Hey mate,

Yeh huge relieve for me to be fair, thought I was going to loose my cash...
This is why there is no model specified on my UK registration papers.

I am glad all is sorted now...
I can enjoy the bike now..

I will stay here anyway as it looks like there are a lots of "wise words of advice" to be found here..

thanks again..

right I have just come in from work so I better open a coldy..

Dave · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:05:52 am »

i hope you do stay.. we need good members.. we have many, but more is better.. theres not a ton of tech info. here yet, but we can help you with any issue.. the guys here are more than knowledgable ..

TobyJug · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2012, 01:07:49 pm »

Quote from: Dave on January 16, 2012, 10:05:52 am

i hope you do stay.. we need good members.. we have many, but more is better.. theres not a ton of tech info. here yet, but we can help you with any issue.. the guys here are more than knowledgable ..

Hey Dave,

I will definitely be here to stay.
I can tell there is a lot of knowledge in this place.

Glad to be part of this place.

cw1 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2012, 01:17:35 pm »

Great place to hang out at, but ya got to watch out fer Fatmike and Bibbs,,lollllll just saying.

Lightnin · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:03:47 am »

Well, I am glad it all worked out.... you have a good bike.... Huzzah! (and yes, not enough people say that anymore )
the noises you have there are probably due to the year of the bike.... there were minor changes to things in '85 and '86 that wound up being changed again.... make sure you get the proper parts as the parts are year specific with the clutch assembly

TobyJug · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2012, 12:51:10 pm »

LOL at cw1

Quote from: Lightnin on January 17, 2012, 05:03:47 am

Well, I am glad it all worked out.... you have a good bike.... Huzzah! (and yes, not enough people say that anymore )
the noises you have there are probably due to the year of the bike.... there were minor changes to things in '85 and '86 that wound up being changed again.... make sure you get the proper parts as the parts are year specific with the clutch assembly

grinn, me to... very glad indeed...
Thanks for that info..

I think though that it might not be the clutch or primary..
They are fine now, she shifts super sweet..

I think that someone mentioned this before but the rubber from the engine mounting might be a little fucked..

Will check this after..

Is that a hard job to replace?

Bibs · « **Reply #17 on:** January 20, 2012, 12:00:32 am »

Quote from: cw1 on January 16, 2012, 01:17:35 pm

Great place to hang out at, but ya got to watch out fer Fatmike and Bibbs,,lollllll just saying.

uuuuuuum specially that Bibs fucker !!!!

cajun chop · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2012, 12:47:35 am »

ashamed your over in uk...I just got rid of a bunch of clutch and primary parts for your bike. traded the lot for some chrome bits for mine...had clutch and chain and compensator...inner and outer primaries....

TobyJug · « **Reply #19 on:** January 20, 2012, 08:22:10 am »

hahahaha you lot...

D@mn Cajun Chop...
Lucky me the clutch seems fine... sweet as anything now...
Still some clunky judder, not sure how to describe but I have traced it down to the Rubber from the engine mount.
Someone on here did mention it..

Going to replace some rubber in the next week or so and then all should be sweet...

Just been busy sorting the insurance over here again it's an arse..
all done now though..!!

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