Topic: spitting oil (Read 2325 times)

Dave · « **on:** November 30, 2008, 08:03:53 pm »

heres one for all to ponder.. i have my quess , as i havent got into it yet .. but here goes.. i got an s&s evo motor in a bike here.. it was supposedly rebuilt by a fella of so-so rep. awhile back.. he ordered the wrong rods & they sent shovelhead rods.. well you know the drill.. they fit the shovel rods to the evo, as a wait to return them was just too much to bear.. yeah.. i know.. anyway.. the bike was rode hard & put up wet after this rebuild.. now it comes here , as the rebuild guy dont want squat to do with it & i may not either.. its blowing oil out the breather vents in the heads.. both vents not just one & the faster you go it literally near begins to pump oil out the head vents.. lovely huh.. well i clean the tappet screen, clean the ball check.. of course i had no thought that would be the cure , only a start.. i'm thinking it spun the breather gear .. i've seen a load of s&s motors that have been run hard end up with a spun breather .. usually they near self explode.. or near to it, often scarring the case badly.. next guess would be MAYBE an oil pump issue .. or we have the good ole, worn out ass motor scenerio .. anyone got any thoughts.. i'm open to opinion here before i get into this thing too far.. speak on up.. i'm listening closely..

Road Kill · « **Reply #1 on:** November 30, 2008, 09:04:57 pm »

My first thought was blocked or restricted oil return passages?

xylene61 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 30, 2008, 09:58:11 pm »

I think it's the breather gear. Is it an S&S? if it's stock plastic it maybe pooched or installed wrong. Of course, the whole motor may need a top end reskin. That's the problem with someone else's master crafstmanship....ya just don't know where to start.

wolf · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2008, 12:28:42 am »

Have you checked the o'rings on the breathers they may be cracked and can cause that problem on the S&S motors

Lightnin · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2008, 06:12:37 am »

well, the assembly issues aside, it blows oil....
so the rings and top end are good.....
the only things that could let it happen are: the flapper valves not being there or the breather is fubar....
take off the nosecone and look there..... if the guy who built it is a cheap s.o.b., which it seems he is, then he probably just dropped in whatever he could find, ie a take off worn plastic breather...... and even if he put in a good one, did he time it right?..... if its timed too late, then it will cause a buildup of pressure and the blowout will be that much more forceful, and indicative of what is happening relative to engine rpm

Dave · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2008, 11:40:53 am »

could be.. the oil lines look like hell .. that thought or the thought they aint connected right crossed my mind.. its a rubber mount, with a much later style tranny in it.. damn if i can tell what should go where on it.. fucker leaks oil out of every crack in it..

Lightnin · « **Reply #6 on:** December 05, 2008, 10:20:17 pm »

so hows this one goin?..... finding some light at the end of the tunnel?

Dave · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2008, 11:39:51 am »

it looks like it could be as simple as the o-ring on the stock style brether bolts he has on it.. we will see soon..

Dave · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2009, 10:43:13 am »

fuckin sealed up the bolts.. no more oil spitting.. imagine that.. bike was ragged the fuck out though.. needs much more work, but not this trip.. got another spitter in.. looks like dried out flaps on the gasket set this time though..

xylene61 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2009, 01:38:33 pm »

Sounds like you get all the local "spitters"
You're hangin' with the wrong crowd Dave.
Tell them you're Canadian, in your best fake accent, & you taste like maple syrup. They won't spit, they swallow...LMAO

Dave · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2009, 03:22:11 pm »

no shit huh... not a bad suggestion..

Dave · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2009, 10:32:42 pm »

well it seems this lil' sporty was just WAY over filled with oil.. imagine that.. then the air adjustment screw was turned open another full turn from where i had it.. that blacked the spark plugs up nicely.. its running a 42 mikuni which is big for a stock 1200 sporty to start with.. but in all i had it dialed in well.. the owner now states he loaned it to a friend for a week , thus all the bullshit.. of course my suggestion on the matter was to STOP IT ... damn these guys fuckin' amaze me sometimes.. so with the oil level correctexd.. a fresh set of plugs & another carb. dial in .. all is again well .. this round any how..

xylene61 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:25:29 am »

Didjya at least give him the BILL for your time twice? it's always hard, but when they come back and ya KNOW it's different from when it went out...

Lightnin · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:43:11 pm »

some folks just need to never touch a motorcycle.... ever......

my dad woulda smacked the crap outta me if i had done anything like that to ANYTHING with an engine...... yes, at 67 he'd come to Florida and smack the crap outta me

i learned at a very early age that if i was going to use it, no matter what it was, i better know how to work on it..... and before i used it, i got to work on it FOR Dad......

unfortunately just another case of the Dumbing up of America......

and i hope you gave him a talkin to about havin another person work on Your Bike!!!!!!!!!

Dave · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2009, 02:38:42 pm »

both you guys are very correct.. it seems that the owner, who is on a medical right now.. loaned the bike to another fella to take on a run , from louisiana to austin texas .. hhmmm... a sporty.. in not the best of shape to start with

do any bells ring here

the situation was they needed to keep their numbers up at these runs , for appearances sake.. first off.. i wouldnt loan my bike to but very few people.. wolf or slick , are the only 2 that come to mind.. & if i did , i'd damn well have to know that this person was worthy of taking care of my machine.. which obviously.. this fella was not.. if the owner had considered the bike belonging to the borrower .. which the condition of it, is a big clue , that he doesnt give a shit.. then he wouldnt have loaned it.. who knows.. live & learn .. if in fact the owner learned anything from this all ..

xylene61 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2009, 08:21:09 pm »

My "brother" Butch is the only one I'd let borrow my bike. He's the only one that understands that rule. And i can have HIS anytime I'd need it. Same rule.
Well, I did borrow the Ol's brother's brand new softail once, but he knows the rule too, 'cept he couldn't reach the forward controls on mine, short little fucker....LOL

Dave · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2009, 10:45:00 pm »

its asort of an unwritten rule.. i think bewtween myself wolf & slick there would be no problems using each others bikes if we needed to.. we all take care of our things..

Lightnin · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2009, 12:17:24 am »

the Brothers in my Chapter can use my bike at any time, and a few of the Probates..... other than that, there is only one guy i would ever allow to use my bike...... and if they tried to work on it, any of them, they would get a tune up..... then again I don't have a car so i ride everywhere ...... if they are on my bike, i'm on theirs

Puzzled · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2010, 04:12:22 pm »

The loaning of the bike. Since I have four I'm not as attached to all of them in the same manner. My Bagger is mine cut and dry. My Buell, I have offered it up to a few buds who are bike-less. My Beater bike has only been ridden by one person, several times as he is the only one who has been able to ride it. The Chopper, why would anyone want to?!

My close buds and I have an understanding. If you damage it either fix it or it becomes yours and I'll pick out my new one. Fortunately for most of these guys this isn't a problem.

Quick story here. My bud John borrowed my open deck trailer one weekend a few years back. Sunday night rolls around and I get a call "how much do you want for your trailer"? I ask why and he proceeds to tell me he dented the fender loading a car and he is in need of a trailer anyway. No problem, I told him what it was worth and he came over the next morning and paid me. OK. Now I never saw the damage, my bud is a body man by trade so I don't know why he didn't just fix it. A few years later I see the trailer finally and the dent isn't much bigger than a softball. Why the hell didn't he just fix it? Bottom line he is a stand up guy did the right thing.

Fast forward a few years and the same bud John is going through a divorce. I have my 06 GSXR 1000 for sale. He says I'll take it. He saves a few pennies in cash and comes to pick it up. I ask how this is going to work with his divorce and the light bulb goes on in both of our heads. She'll have access to this bike in the divorce. So I kept the bike in my name and he insured it. It is still in my name as the registration isn't up yet!

My dad had told me once I'd be lucky to have enough close friends to count on one hand. He was absolutely correct. Those few are the ones welcome to my bike or anything for that matter.

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